i know michael does because we agree on this. let me go to you because that answer i found -- >> you cut the funding -- >> -- adequate but only for a dae day. mr. steele, you say it's fair you a pay a lower tax rate than most americans, 13%. the top rate is 35% in your bracket. 35 for people in your tax bracket. tell the american people why that's fair, that you pay 13 for the tax reform that you let out and most people have to pace 35% top rate. >> well, in typical fashion, the liberal media has misled my record. so the reality is that i paid the 35% on that income when i earned it. i invested that income and then that money that i earned off of those investments, i paid what the cap gains rate is which is about 13%. the typical person out there making $50,000 a year, their effective rate, chris, if you know this, is about 5 to 7%. so i'm still paying more based on your argument. >> so money you make off of money, you only pay 13%. so if you don't sweat, you don't pay that rate? >> it's the law. >> we're trying to decide what th